tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post2810277647513637269..comments2024-03-23T14:04:57.635-05:00Comments on Father Hollywood: North Wisconsin District and Women's OrdinationRev. Larry Beanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06705910892752648940noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-59016443130085535072009-09-29T08:22:22.949-05:002009-09-29T08:22:22.949-05:00While I appreciate an honest and humble apology fr...While I appreciate an honest and humble apology from the District President, it does concern me that he appeals to Synod's authority in opposing Women's Ordination and not Scripture's. I think it is always a red-flag when our pastors and other leaders appeal to Synod and not Scripture. It sets the stage to jettison Scripture when the time is right.Rev. Jim Roemkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765590533573457596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-1349474973398020652009-09-28T17:23:08.524-05:002009-09-28T17:23:08.524-05:00Well, as little closer to home (mine) I get the pa...Well, as little closer to home (mine) I get the parish newsletter from where we formally belong but rarely go now. I find out<br /><br />1 - pastor is ecstatic as God has answered our prayers about how to be more mission minded with us being invited to be part of the pilot project for Church Revitalization, to be run by the District. This is compared to Star Trek, where as they were to explore and adventure we are to witness and adventure, and was presented as such in church complete with clip from movie.<br /><br />2 - to help with foreseen reluctance between members and church leadership, there will be a parish wide seminar on Responding To Change Biblically. There was no subtitle "Getting Confessionals To Put A Sock In It And Go Along".<br /><br />3 - in response to a report by a pastor consultant, the Voters' Meeting has approved hiring a new Director of Contemporary Music, and<br /><br />4 - books by Bill Hybels and Phillip Yancey will now be used in Bible classes and for sermon series topics, <br /><br />5 - the Friday Bible study is already using a book by Beth Moore.<br /><br />Some other things in there weren't made so much of, like running a 66K deficit to date and making it by borrowing from the Building Fund since there ain't no building going on, no mention of the idea of designated and undesignated funds, nothing about Hybels' recent stuff saying maybe the earlier stuff isn't working as well as they thought, and membership stats show two individual transfers in and seven family transfers out.<br /><br />But are we gonna get trained and equipped for mission in the 21st Century!Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-16110616052275080462009-09-28T11:30:00.401-05:002009-09-28T11:30:00.401-05:00Whew! Good leader stepping up there to take the b...Whew! Good leader stepping up there to take the blame. But, as I said, the Ed.'s got some 'splainin to do. Putting the best construction, I'd conjecture it must have been mere fodder to meet a desired page requirement. Better check the supply source of the fodder, though.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18223579810861454670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-13787114395788714052009-09-28T09:06:21.193-05:002009-09-28T09:06:21.193-05:00This apology from the NW DP is posted at http://st...This apology from the NW DP is posted at http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=7244<br />The brothers of John the steadfast.<br /><br />I'll include the post in its entirety.<br />-------------------------<br />September 28, 2009<br />North Wisconsin DP Apologizes for Promoting Women’s Ordination<br />Over on the original post on this story BJS member and columnist Scott Diekmann shared the apology he received from North Wisconsin District President Hoelter for allowing a two page promotion of womens ordination to appear in his district monthly newsletter. Here is what Scott shared:<br /><br />I contacted President Hoelter via email. Rather than try and parse his response I’m quoting it:<br /><br /> <br /><br />“The article in question in the October NORTHERN HERALD did indeed slip past me. I can lay the blame at the feet of our editor, but as President I bear the responsibility for what is printed and disseminated in the District. Neither the North Wisconsin District nor I approve of or condone the ordination of women to the pastoral Office. Our Synod has spoken clearly and forcefully on the issue and the North Wisconsin District supports the Synod’s position. Please accept my apology. I will be speaking with the pastors of the District at our Fall Conference that begins tomorrow.”<br /><br />You can see the original post and Scott’s comment (# 14) here.<br /><br /> <br />----------------------------Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14462256038488480627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-75181366870550712212009-09-28T08:11:15.799-05:002009-09-28T08:11:15.799-05:00Well, I took the time to check out the link, Fr. A...Well, I took the time to check out the link, Fr. And I second Jonathan's comments. What was that doing in there? <br /><br />I don't have a problem with listening to other points of view. I don't even have a problem with synodical institutions giving these other points of view a platform. For example, I greatly appreciated attending Symposia at Ft. Wayne where Roman Catholics and Calvinists were regularly invited to present papers. These different points of view offered opportunity for debate, discussion, and perhaps facilitated the beginnings of rapproachment. <br /><br />The first problem I had with what I saw in "The Parrish Paper" is that the article in question (Women Pastors) completely bypasses the theological question about women pastors and speaks from a purely pragmatic point of view. Will having a woman pastor cause membership to decrease? The “Bottom Line” tells us that we ought to consider if our application process contains a bias against women pastors, with it strongly implied that we should not. It also suggests that we ought not make unreasonable demands on our pastor, that we should not be unreasonably critical of our pastor, and that we should show acceptance for our pastor. All good things. But in the context of the article, this means that we should not unreasonably demand that our pastor be a man, that we should not be critical of a woman pastor, and that we should show acceptance for women pastors. <br /><br />Secondly, and this goes back to Jonathan’s point: What was this doing in there? According to the mast head the parish paper is supposed to give “ideas and insights for active congregations.” So, in the absence of any explanation of this article we can only assume that the idea being promoted here is the acceptance of women in the ministry. <br /><br />Please fill me in on just what role this Parish Paper plays in this district. Is it a publication of the district? Is it presented as “another viewpoint” kind of publication, or is this the district’s advice to its congregations?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14462256038488480627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22781533.post-31124518999291438502009-09-28T07:50:29.664-05:002009-09-28T07:50:29.664-05:00Wow. What could possibly be the point of putting ...Wow. What could possibly be the point of putting that article in there? Is it an endorsement, a warning, or mere filler? Problem is, they don't tell you why it's there. The Ed.'s got some 'splaning to do.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18223579810861454670noreply@blogger.com